I’ve just finished watching “BNP Wives” on Sky One. It made me angry.
Don’t get me wrong, I truly believe in freedom of speech – even if what is said offends, but the people on this programme were nothing more than close-minded racist retards. A couple of things in particular really got to me (e.g. one fat old BNP woman activist telling a young lad that you have to eat halal meat in the Navy – bollocks, utter bollocks) so I decided to go online and look at the BNP website and see what their views and policies are.
Here are the results of my research…
The BNP disapprove of mixed race marriages. Why? Well to save you the time of having to look at the BNP’s web-shite I will explain. According to the BNP, mixed race marriages lead to the extinction of various human genotypes.
“It is sad when a unique human genotype becomes extinct – as has happened around the world in the past and is happening today in the Amazon”
“While a small number of mixed marriages – or mixed race children – in Britain won’t, in themselves, make any difference, if this is encouraged however as it is at present by politicians and the media then inevitably the traditional British genotype will be endangered in the long-term.”
Hmm, sounds like pig-crap to me. The fact is there is no “traditional British genotype”. According to an article from The Guardian online there is evidence that mainland Britain had its land-bridge to the continent cut around 400,000 years ago. BNP, are you honestly telling me that since that time there has been no immigration? Thought not. England was essentially created in 1066 after Normans came here from, where was it again? That’s right Normandy. In France. Good work shit-heads.
The BNP don’t like gays
“The BNP supports the traditional ‘don’t ask, don’t tell’ attitude to homosexuality and is opposed to the flaunting or celebrating of homosexuality”
Apparently, the BNP don’t mind black people, Asian people or foreigners. They are just different.
“We simply believe that the different races are different, just as men and women are different, and as such they cannot be directly compared.”
What? The only difference is the colour of their skin and a few minor genetic differences (e.g. Asian people are generally less tolerant to booze than people of European descent – let me know if this is an urban myth) Black people aren’t a different species. Comparing a white man to a black man is not the same as comparing a man to a woman, or a brick to a pigeon. Racist fuck-monkeys.
Despite policies of voluntary resettlement (a ‘colour-blind’ policy of offering fifty grand to anyone who wants to live somewhere else) the BNP does not want to see an all white Britain. Hmm, ok. The BNP believe that there should be ethnic minorities…
“Ethnic minorities should be just that – minorities, making up no more than 2-3% of the population of any given area.”
OK, and perhaps the areas where the minorities live could be called something cheery like ‘ghettos’, and people who live in these ‘ghettos’ could wear some kind of identifying arm-band. Also, where did the 2-3% population figure come from? Thin air? Nick Griffin’s arse-hole?
There is more, and no doubt I will rant on again at some point but for now go and look at the BNP website and see how angry it makes you.
I really hate racists, but you have to counter them with reasoned argument – not banning them from speaking. If you see a BNP candidate, protest or activist don’t shout at them or throw fiery bricks talk to them. Try to convert them or at least get them to see how they are wrong.
References
BNP Website, full of useless racist bull-plop, only handy if you think Hitler was generally OK – http://www.bnp.org.uk
More from the wonderful people at the BNP – http://www.bnp.org.uk/countering-the-smears/
From the Guardian Online, interesting and factual – http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2007/jul/19/uknews.sciencenews
lee said
‘Try to convert them or at least get them to see how they are wrong.’
It is merely your OPINION that they are wrong.
Personally I don’t want to live in a multiracial, multicultural society. This preference makes me neither right nor wrong…it is merely a personal choice; as is your hatred of the BNP and its policies.
For example, I cannot stand cinnamon or coffee; this does not mean that I think cinnamon or coffee are wrong, that enjoying cinnamon or coffee is wrong, that people who enjoy or produce cinnamon or coffee are in anyway wrong or evil.
You do not approve of the BNP and its policies; that is your right. I generally do approve of the BNP and its policies and that is my right too. Both our rights to support or not support the BNP are equal, you are in no way superior to me because of your political beliefs, and taking such a self-righteous stance merely diminishes your argument.
benseager said
Yes, it is my opinion that their opinions are wrong, but my opinion is based on sound reasoning.
It is possible to hold an incorrect opinion, if the conclusions on which the opinion is based are a result of faulty reasoning. This is the case with all racist thinking.
Also, you can’t compare disliking multi-culturalism with disliking foodstuffs – they are completely different. You may dislike coffee becuase it has a bitter taste and you are genetically disposed to dislike bitter tastes. Presumably you don’t dislike other cultures because of the way they taste and you don’t dislike coffee because of its colour.
It is interesting to note that you haven’t mentioned why you aren’t a fan of multi-culturalism. I’m jumping to a few conclusions here but I would say that you are incorrect in disliking multiculturalism. As I’ve mentioned, you can hold an invalid opinion if that opinion is formed as a result of poor logic and reasoning
There are legimitate concerns about multicultralism, immigration, national identity etc but racists do not deal with these, they remove rationalism from arguments and replace sensible thought with irrational disdain.
Multi-racialism is a fun topic. I’m thinking that when you say multi-racial what you actually mean is ‘people who have a different skin colour than me’. The fact is that we are all multi-racial. It is possible to trace one’s roots by looking at genes – I would like to do this myself but it costs money. There are very few people in this country who are descended exclusively from native ‘British’ stock – even if there ever was such a thing. How would you feel if you had the test done and you discovered that in the past your ancestors came from India, Africa or the Russian Steppes? Would you still be a big racist?
Also, I’m not self-righteous, I’m right.
A Brit said
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” How would you feel if you had the test done and you discovered that in the past your ancestors came from India, Africa or the Russian Steppes? Would you still be a big racist? ”
We all come from Africa, unless you believe in that ‘creation by an unseen entity ‘ nonsense. But we’ve moved on since then, peoples were sufficiently distant from one another that they developed different ways of doing things ( that is the true definition of culture, simplistic but nevertheless true).
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” There are legimitate concerns about multicultralism, immigration, national identity etc but racists do not deal with these, they remove rationalism from arguments and replace sensible thought with irrational disdain. ”
Thats’s correct, I have the same concerns but I am not racist ( a term often confused with “bad person” ) I have friends from Mauritius, Africa, India, and many other places. I am however a “culturist”, lets see if we can get this new term accepted and subsequently vilified !.
I don’t want to wake up one day and find that the law has changed and that for forgetting to file a tax return now results in a foot being amputated. That’s the kind of difference in culture I’m talking about.
Yes it’s an extreme example but subtlety is lost on the brainwashed generation of the last 20 years or so.
Races don’t clash, cultures do.
The inhabitants of any land define it’s culture, there’s a good article on the BNP website about how one culture replaces another, well worth reading.
As for the BNP Wives program, it was meant to show them in a bad light.
Nobody will ever agree 100% with any party’s manifesto but the BNP do have more valid points than the rest.
The media are not allowed to show the BNP in a favourable light, the media is owned by foreigners who in turn own this government.
Take for example Richard Littlejohn, in his Daily Mail column he complains about the same issues that the BNP do, he sounds like a BNP supporter but every now and then he has to make negative comments about them, just plain odd or … ?
I would suggest to anyone, take a long look at the BNP website, watch the BNPTV clips and then decide if it is a party of “fat old women” or thugs.
You may think that the members are all completely misguided but theres no denying that most of them could be your neighbour who you share power tools/holidays/wife with
Stuart C said
I have to accept that, as lee said, everybody is entitled to their own view; ones views cannot make one better than somebody else, but I would argue that one’s actions can. I leave it to readers to decide what the actions (and proposed actions) of the different political parties and their supporters imply.
To argue that a black man and a white man are different, or are not different, is to miss the point: humans, supposedly, share around 57% of their genes with a CABBAGE, but the only humans that share 100% of their genes are identical twins. Everyone is different, but every human being is still pretty damn alike: to talk of a British genotype is just scientific mumbo-jumbo. Especially since the jury is still definitely out on the proportionate genetic and environmental contributions to identity.
The BNP’s policies are not consistent: they say they have Jewish members, by which I shall have to assume they mean people who are racially Jewish rather than converts in later life; that being the case, they’re no more indigenously British than the Asian and African communities which the BNP is so in favour of removing (partially or completely) from Britain.
Their website’s definition of ‘indigenous’ is correct but to apply it to Britain 1000 years ago is again, missing the point. Britain was not ‘created as a nation’ around 1008 (or even 1066), and in many senses never has been. We have at various points of history since then allowed, nay encouraged, peoples from different cultures into the country. The slave-trade era is one which everybody would wish to forget, but it was the “indigenous” British who brought African slaves en masse to the British isles.
The most recent Parlimentary change to any kind of “British identity” was in 1922, when most of Ireland separated. Of course, by this time you would have seen plenty of people of African origin in the country, and no doubt also Asians and other cultures. If you have to pick a time for ‘indigenous’ to apply from, then 1922 is the only logical one – the kingdom changed it’s NAME then, after all, and with it its identity.
Last point. Yes, it’s cultures that clash, not races, and Britain does have a variety of issues relating to this at the moment, due to the influx of different cultures. But cultures do NOT replace each other – they combine. Give me any example of a cultural replacement in this country, and I will prove that actually, elements of both cultures were fused together, under the same or a different name. This happens in any country that permits immigration.
Along with these fusions, culture changes, on its own, all the time, building on what has gone before. So you pretty soon can’t extract the elements of one part of a cultural fusion without the whole kaboodle falling down around you. Where does culture begin and end? If you were to remove the majority of Asian people from Britain, would you also make curries and stir-fries illegal? Ban all takeaways other than “traditional” chippies? Would you take it even further and forbid, for example, study of yoga, tai chi, and eastern philosophy – perhaps burn all the books that detail such things? Unless you do this, you really won’t have separated the culture out from the “indigenous” British culture, I can assure you. If you do do it, you’ll find that Britain suddenly has some pretty serious problems.
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benseager said
Stuart. Genius.
Daffyd said
There isn’t exactly a British genotype, there is just the mix of genes we have in the gene pool. Britain has indeed experienced immigration over the centuries, but this immigration was from closely related European peoples. Skin colour is one difference that we see between races (viewing the concept of “a race” as one way to classify the variation that occurs within the human species, you can also refer to clines but the point remains that some variation exists), but I would say there are others too, such as the shape of the skull, or the hair. There are race-specific drugs and organ transplants usually require someone of a different genetic background. An important difference is that in intelligence, blacks consistently score lower on IQ tests. There are cultural and upbringing explanations (e.g. malnourishment) but you can’t rule a partial hereditary explanation out. Studies of persons of mixed white and black heritage have shown that those with more white blood tend to have greater intelligence, and black children adopted by white parents also have lower IQ. As with the children of upper-middle-class black parents living in affluent neighbourhoods still tend to perform worse than white children in a similar situation. There is even a link between brain size, intelligence and race, even though it is quite a weak correlation. There is indeed no real evidence that we are all the same under the skin. This is an idea based on wishful thinking. So it is very possible that the differences in cultural achievement between different parts of the world is partially down to genetic differences. A change in the population will lead to a change in the culture. I feel that your response is based on your aversion to “racism”, or hating others or wanting to oppress others. Do racial differences justify race hate? No, but it does justify considering what we can do to preserve the nature of the European gene pool that is partially responsible for European cultural achievement in a humane way, without going through ethnic violence or any other horrible things we may associate with “racism”. The BNP’s policy of voluntary assisted repatriation works toward this end.
To the commenter who claimed the BNP were hypocritical in admiting Jews i) they avoid the label of anti-semitism thus ii) Jews are White-ish, although it is debatable.
L Konig said
“Stewart” is a genius? Stewart hasn’t a clue about anything relating to the real issues under discussion at all, and you watch ‘BNP Wives’ and think it’s a revealing expose of the true face of British nationalist politics and values.
“Don’t get me wrong, I truly believe in freedom of speech . . .” blah blah. The usual shit from the usual orifices.
Ess Tee Yoo Ayy Are Tee said
A tip for you, L Konig. If you want to appear as if you’ve read the back-discussion in a debate, at least try and spell the names of the commenters correctly.